I never thought of it that way. I guess it's kinda hypocritical to say your proud to be a Filipino and consider LapuLapu as a hero. I'm now confused in a good way. Thanks for sharing and opening my eyes.
Patrick
· 1 year ago
You're kidding right? Why would not want to be called "Filipino"? If anything, he will not call us "Filipino".
Mark
· 1 year ago
I don't get it Patrick
TALIBA
· 1 year ago
Firstly, we (TALIBA) need to stress, Rajah Lapu-lapu was not a Filipino. He never was. That name was given or adopted after his time. And, if he is alive today, he would never allow himself to be referred or called by that name. Rajah Lapu-lapu would be ashamed of us, for allowing our country to be named Filipinas or Pilipinas (Philippines). Supposedly, in honor of the King of Spain (who was responsible for the infliction of great miseries to our people).
It is for that reason, that we, in TALIBA, do not call ourselves "Filipinos" or "Pilipinos" (or Pinoys), which we consider as truly disgraceful for a Maharlikan (native of this country) to do. For, adopting such name (Filipino, Pilipino or Pinoys) only proves that the inhabitants of this country are not yet truly independent and have no real sense of "love of country".
TALIBA
· 1 year ago
Lastly, we, in TALIBA, consider RAJAH LAPU-LAPU (Ama ng mga Bayani ng Lahing Kayumanggi) as truly deserving to be named as National Hero for the country (Maharlika).
Christian | PinoyTattoos.com
· 1 year ago
Taliba, I agree with you 100%. I wish I could change the name of this website. I also run http://nophilippines.com. If you have any articles you want to submit, email me at info@pinoytattoos.com.
TALIBA
· 1 year ago
Oo kaibigan. Pag may pagkakataon. Maraming salamat! Mabuhay ka!
negrense
· 1 year ago
I don't know why the last few post here seem to be putting the blame of the fipino misery over the colonial reign of Spain to what this country has become now. Why be ashamed to be called Filipino/pinoy . The Philippines and the people of today are the mere products of the time and can identify ourselves differently from other asian neighbors . Our long history and contact with europeans is nonetheless something that molded us uniquely our own and should be standing proud of .
I noticed some posters here ashamed to be called themselves Filipinos . Where does that point of shame come from ? I can understand there is some of us living with a culture if blame .Typical isn't it ? Blaming our own misfortunes as caused by somebody else and not owning up our very own mistakes. In 1950 - 60's after independence our economy were ahead of Japan ,but soon after it was plummeting down to miserable state to date . Was it again all due to Spain ? Wasn't it influneced by and large the same typical pinoy psyche of ningas cogon , pakikisama ,nepotism ,' kamag-anak system 'and 'me ,me me ,me ' eccentric greedy plonkers and putting them into office without a thought , and most of it our mistakes in the making ,choosing the wrong leaders incapable of making the right decisions to lead this country to success .
What if not being colonize by Spain ,and not named filipinos . Will we be fliying high with the first world?Not being rude ,but I think the Taliba group's arguments is too far beyond my comprehension of what is sensible .Regarding Lapu-lapu as a national hero ?I must be mad ,if i ever agree of him as one. No way .Isn't he and his followers just similar to the ravaging murderous Abu Sayaff or MINLF of today ? I am even worried to set foot to the lovely Mindanao incase I be caught in cross fires and kidnapping. Wow and Lapu-lapu a hero ,jeeezzz . If I do change my lines and believed it , send me to mental rehab pls.
Christian | PinoyTattoos.com
· 1 year ago
negrense:
I'm speaking for myself not Taliba but I don't have any delusions that the so-called Philippines would be a "1st world" country due to colonialism. I believe that we would be in a similar economic position as we are today but with a stronger/clearer sense of culture. I do admit that colonialism has helped us early on.
If you want to justify output of uniqueness as justification of colonialism, I disagree. It's a condescending attitude of "we are different (ie better because we are Christians) than our Asian neighbors.
African Americans have a totally unique history and struggle. Do you justify slavery because we have Jazz and great athletes? Having pride of going through/surviving the struggle is good to be proud of but the actual event of kidnapping, slavery, colonialism, forced religion, etc? That is different.
Regarding Lap-Lapu as a national hero, I agree with you to some extent as it's a contradiction of the mass Filipino mindset. If Lapu-Laup is a hero, then why doesn't his fight resonate with you? By comparing Lapu-Lapu to the Abu Sayaff, isn't fair as Lapu-Lapu was protecting his homeland from invaders. While I deplore Abu Sayaff ways, I do understand that they are a product of colonialism in the Philippines. Their ancestors were driven south where they still continue the fight against the Spanish.
Bottom line, think of it this way.......
You have a great life now with your own set of values, religion, language, economy, and etc. Say a group of people invaded your city and forced you to change everything or they would kill you. There's a reason why colonialism (in the physical sense) does not occur today - because it's wrong. Simple as that.
TALIBA
· 1 year ago
Thank you very much Christian. You had put it very aptly. We couldn't agree more. You are indeed one of the enlightened one.
To negrense:
With all due respect, we believe that you got it all wrong. If you would just care to read our post again, you would surely get the answers to some of your questions.
The comparison with the Abu Sayaff is utterly without basis. Rajah Lapu-lapu fought with honor, bravery, and love for his people and country. The Abu Sayaffs, being a terrorist group, would never come close to the status of our great hero.
Our advocacy originated from the historical fact that our colonizers (especially the Spaniards, who were responsible in giving the present name to our country) divested our ancestors of their ancestral possessions and enslaved them for 3 centuries. Should we, as descendants of our great ancestors, who shed blood and sacrificed their lives, be proud of that? That, we would even be willing to be named after our oppressor?
Our colonizers were responsible in implanting an oppressive system in our soil. A system where the culture of materialism and greed thrives. A system that feeds on the flesh of our people. To this day, the same system (in its mutated form) still subsists. Only the principal actors did change.
TALIBA
· 1 year ago
Maraming salamat Christian. Tunay kang mulat! Mabuhay ka!
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It is for that reason, that we, in TALIBA, do not call ourselves "Filipinos" or "Pilipinos" (or Pinoys), which we consider as truly disgraceful for a Maharlikan (native of this country) to do. For, adopting such name (Filipino, Pilipino or Pinoys) only proves that the inhabitants of this country are not yet truly independent and have no real sense of "love of country".
I noticed some posters here ashamed to be called themselves Filipinos .
Where does that point of shame come from ? I can understand there is some of us living with a culture if blame .Typical isn't it ? Blaming our own misfortunes as caused by somebody else and not owning up our very own mistakes. In 1950 - 60's after independence our economy were ahead of Japan ,but soon after it was plummeting down to miserable state to date . Was it again all due to Spain ? Wasn't it influneced by and large the same typical pinoy psyche of ningas cogon , pakikisama ,nepotism ,' kamag-anak system 'and 'me ,me me ,me ' eccentric greedy plonkers and putting them into office without a thought , and most of it our mistakes in the making ,choosing the wrong leaders incapable of making the right decisions to lead this country to success .
What if not being colonize by Spain ,and not named filipinos .
Will we be fliying high with the first world?Not being rude ,but I think the Taliba group's arguments is too far beyond my comprehension of what is sensible .Regarding Lapu-lapu as a national hero ?I must be mad ,if i ever agree of him as one. No way .Isn't he and his followers just similar to the ravaging murderous Abu Sayaff or MINLF of today ? I am even worried to set foot to the lovely Mindanao incase I be caught in cross fires and kidnapping. Wow and Lapu-lapu a hero ,jeeezzz . If I do change my lines and believed it , send me to mental rehab pls.
I'm speaking for myself not Taliba but I don't have any delusions that the so-called Philippines would be a "1st world" country due to colonialism. I believe that we would be in a similar economic position as we are today but with a stronger/clearer sense of culture. I do admit that colonialism has helped us early on.
If you want to justify output of uniqueness as justification of colonialism, I disagree. It's a condescending attitude of "we are different (ie better because we are Christians) than our Asian neighbors.
African Americans have a totally unique history and struggle. Do you justify slavery because we have Jazz and great athletes? Having pride of going through/surviving the struggle is good to be proud of but the actual event of kidnapping, slavery, colonialism, forced religion, etc? That is different.
Regarding Lap-Lapu as a national hero, I agree with you to some extent as it's a contradiction of the mass Filipino mindset. If Lapu-Laup is a hero, then why doesn't his fight resonate with you? By comparing Lapu-Lapu to the Abu Sayaff, isn't fair as Lapu-Lapu was protecting his homeland from invaders. While I deplore Abu Sayaff ways, I do understand that they are a product of colonialism in the Philippines. Their ancestors were driven south where they still continue the fight against the Spanish.
Bottom line, think of it this way.......
You have a great life now with your own set of values, religion, language, economy, and etc. Say a group of people invaded your city and forced you to change everything or they would kill you. There's a reason why colonialism (in the physical sense) does not occur today - because it's wrong. Simple as that.
To negrense:
With all due respect, we believe that you got it all wrong. If you would just care to read our post again, you would surely get the answers to some of your questions.
The comparison with the Abu Sayaff is utterly without basis. Rajah Lapu-lapu fought with honor, bravery, and love for his people and country. The Abu Sayaffs, being a terrorist group, would never come close to the status of our great hero.
Our advocacy originated from the historical fact that our colonizers (especially the Spaniards, who were responsible in giving the present name to our country) divested our ancestors of their ancestral possessions and enslaved them for 3 centuries. Should we, as descendants of our great ancestors, who shed blood and sacrificed their lives, be proud of that? That, we would even be willing to be named after our oppressor?
Our colonizers were responsible in implanting an oppressive system in our soil. A system where the culture of materialism and greed thrives. A system that feeds on the flesh of our people. To this day, the same system (in its mutated form) still subsists. Only the principal actors did change.